[/quote] [quote name='baseballfrk8998' timestamp='1364408786' post='6708081'] Elite level Trackman Golf Coaching from Expert & Award winning coaches, Scott and Jamie Howarth. I am writing a dissertation at university and was wondering how you got all your data. The average for those golfers was 117 mph. Dustin Johnson can hit a putter 400 yards First we have to determine the average length of the par 4s at your course from the different tees available. Yes, typically very short drivers of the ball are better iron players or wedge players. On average PGA pros hit a 3-iron a carry distance the distance from strike to point of ground impact of 217 yards. Thomas, who was born and raised in Goshen, KY, played collegiate golf for the Alabama Crimson Tide. [quote name='jeffrey08250' timestamp='1364416031' post='6708919'] Although there is a slow trend towards improvement, many in the golf industry wonder why progress has not been faster. The professionals are going to hit the ball on the screws significantly more often than the AMA. Titleist 712 CB 4-9, MB PW KBS Tour (HS1X) 52* & 58* Callaway MD2 // S-300 Not sure how you measure it down to the exact yard on an average driving range. 100% of all funds raised with be used to make a constructive and quality impact for a deserving child, family or charity. Standard 60 lob wedges meanwhile carry 95 to 105 yards on average. The SMs have been nurtured and feel just beautiful at impact, the GW is super consistent with full shots and the chip and run. [/quote] Launch- 11.28, 9.71 low, 12.87 high Check out the actual averages from the PGA Tour for the entire year: Now this is not to say that a tour player cant ramp it up another gear if they felt like showing off. Including a personal best one under 35 for nine. Most of the guys I play/practice with are +2 to 5 handicaps. [color=#ff0000]I'd really like to see Tiger's path and face numbers too among others especially seeing how far left he aims at times. Club Speed 113 mph Ball Speed 166 mph Attack Angle -1 deg Launch Angle 12 deg Spin Rate 2298 rpm I feel like Seve in the sand these days which is never a bad thing. f[yZ3 /=KCYOSg~VN@ ae@.Xq@U$ Q\8H`/ 9Hj: .1xq But he picked up 25 yards for elevation, 25 for wind, and another 45 for extra roll. Crazy thing is I hit my 3 wood off the tee about 250 yards. [Note If you are interested in what drivers and fairway woods the top 100 PGA Tour players are using check out the in-depth analysis we have done here.]. Its important to know what grass you play, what course you play (be it links or parkland) and how you deliver the club at impact (steep or shallow). A lot of guys come from athletic backgrounds too, and maybe took up the game at an older age. Ever found a yardage you like? Trackman is obviously simply a tool for fitting & in no way plays any part on your actual game. When it comes to his mid-irons he hits his 6-iron and 7-iron 195 and 180 yards. Driver: Titleist TSi3 (10 degrees) Shaft: Fujikura Ventus Blue 6 X 3-wood: Titleist TSR3 (15 degrees @ 14.25) Shaft: Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW Blue 75 TX Hybrid: Titleist TSi2 (21 degrees) Shaft: Graphite Design Tour AD IZ [] FULL GUIDE By Age, Handicap etc. Trackman is obviously simply a tool for fitting & in no way plays any part on your actual game. [b]Tiger Woods[/b] Top 50 Player Guide. I played Monday and hit my 1st 3 drives over 300 and in the fairway. I prefer 120-160 yards, so I try my best to play to that yardage on par 4's. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364353617' post='6703853'] Justin credits his success on the PGA TOUR to a childhood full of direction, support, and love. Shaft:Fujikura Ventus TR Blue 7 X, Irons: TaylorMade P770 (4-5), TaylorMade P7MC (6-PW) [/quote] Launch- 11.28, 9.71 low, 12.87 high It doesn't take a genius to figure that one out. Shaft: Fujikura Atmos Tour Spec Blue 7 X, 3-wood: Callaway Rogue ST Max (15 degrees) My question is my average D is +5.3, 6I is +3.5 and 8I is +2.1. Torrey Pines South, huh? Open navigation menu. Yet I hit my driver 230 yards to what they say is average, 214. Dont think they ever release that stuff. ?, G#"% y\$)3(Q|1$xNyt7"g \)hEhH-hFtL+x The following graph shows the distribution of AMA Driver club speeds. Add Driving Distance by Analyzing the Worlds Longest Driver! [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Spin Rate - 2200 rpm[/background][/size][/color] The flight is reduced and the spin still remains. The consistency of impact through the sand was staggering, I seemed to take the exact same amount of sand and impact location every time. Hamish777, March 26, 2013 in WRX Club Techs. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364353617' post='6703853'] I wonder what his user name is on WRX.. A Step by Step Guide, Acceleration Graph of Hips, Chest, Arms, and Clubhead in a Pro Golf Swing. Some of us didn't have the means or access to learn and play a lot of golf when we were Teeball aged. |K_ %E_{/{5* Bx2 @ xM6#N They hit 52 gap wedges a stock carry distance of between 126 and 135 yards and carry 56 sand wedges an average distance of 119 to 124 yards. It's good for some laughs. My 8 iron 190yards 5iron 252 yards Pw is 150yrds And loft 56 at 120yrds Loft 110 yrds How do i control the power to less distance? The first chart, with the club speed distribution, is that only for hcp 14-15 golfers? Hang Time 5.8 Jon has proven that he is able to compete at the I know a 47 year old who played d1 golf hits nothing but trap draws hits 8 irons 190. Distance is only a big deal to those who don't have it Shaft: Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW Blue 75 TX, Hybrid: Titleist TSi2 (21 degrees) People that take hole distance & distance on approach to calculate driving distance is what's funny. [/quote] Ping Glide 2.0 (54) DG S400 TI Imagine throwing darts as the commentary teams say on television. I'm 6'3, in pretty good shape and played baseball my entire life. I still feel these are better players clubs for 15 handicappers or below as they are bladed heads which require you to deliver the club consistently and strike the centre of the face. I bet a lot of my tee shots find the rough though. I appreciate your thoughts, great article. Mike Austins Secret Release Move to Multiply Your Clubhead Speed. Im 46 years old and dont think my 95 mph swing speed will increase that dramatically without throwing rhythm off. (Unimpededof course, because we always were able to play during the week). I would guess those numbers are pretty much all-out, perfect contact, carry distances. I feel pretty confidant in saying that those aren't his stoc When you take the wedge out of the bag you notice the fuller toe, and there is more material behind the head. The SM9s are an evolution of the Vokeys but not a drastic change, youll notice a difference between these and the SM6s but only a subtle change from the SM8s. What about this awesome drive from Dustin Johnson in Hawaii that everyone was talking about: So the drive went 433 yards. What I find funny is the number of people on here that think it's ridiculous that an amateur golfer claims to have similar numbers to a professional. Finally the bunker shot, this is where I feel Vokey really stand out and help my game. Web27K views, 94 likes, 1 loves, 33 comments, 13 shares, Facebook Watch Videos from TrackMan: Congratulations to Justin Thomas, winning the CJ Cup! I don't measure my driver distance either. I am disabled now and dont play at all but i had a spinal fusion and two rods put in my back when i was a teenager. It's good for some laughs. Tiger hits his 3-iron a carry distance of 240 yards on average while his 4-iron goes 225 yards and 5-iron 210 yards. 398 were here. In other words the distance from where they hit the ball to the point of impact on the ground. #TeamTrackMan My experience suggests that this is true. I'll pass. Cobra Aerospeed 3W Kai'Li White Angle of attack, club speed, path, club face. I am guarded from the bladed strike when hitting the lob shot which then builds a trust and compliment to my short game. TI Taylormade SIM Ti (15.4) Tensei CK Pro Blue 80X In truth, the vast majority of golfers are playing from tees that are too long based on their club speed and skill level. RJ, What was the actual value of swing speed group 115 mph+, since it shows 0%. I feel like a lot of AMs sacrifice strike for the extra 1-2 mph which ultimately leads to less distance. I then picked up the lob wedge, historically as a two wedge player I need high versatility with this club as it is 6 degrees more lofted than my 52. I hit the same. Can crush it further by trap drawing it really stepping on it. Flexibility, speed, and knowing how to transfer energy the most effi I'm not on here to impress anyone with my driving distance but that doesn't mean I didn't hit it that far. I'm not going to wear my body down trying to swing that club. Especially the average driving distance data. The numbers posted above are cool to me because you can see Tiger hits balls on the range like he does on the course. APPLY NOW: Cleveland Frontline Elite Putters! 714 AP2 4-p Overall I cant fault these wedges for an elite player as we are aware of the slight differences of feel at strike, flight and contact with the ground. wrong? Mizuno Pro 225 5-GW PX IO At the Sony Open, Thomas became the youngest player to shoot 59 on the PGA TOUR and broke the TOURs 72-hole scoring record by a stroke. I don't measure my driver distance either. Length is nothing. People like you that rant about longer amateurs is what makes for good laughs. That means the par 4s would average 395 yards. You cannot paste images directly. You just have to be fit correctly and learn how to deliver the club better to the ball, and i shoot low 70s and i hit the ball 245 yards with ZERO roll in Thailand so it can be done. Not sure how you measure it down to the exact yard on an average driving range. Yes! It is fun and I find that I usually am scoring better than I would say 90% of the guys I play with now, hitting on average longer than 90% and I realize that that is because shooting in the 90s means in golf you are better than most so above average which unless you played since a teenager and have no other life and want to play 4 to 5 days a week or more that is all you can ask for. I figured that out years ago based on hole distance and yardage to the flag after my tee shot. The difference in a lot of longer amateurs and pros is control. At just 29-years old, he can lay claim to 2 Major victories, a FedEx Cup Championship, PLAYERS Championship and a PGA TOUR Player of the Year Award. Thanks for posting. TaylorMade Stealth+ 8 w/ PX Handcrafted Prototype EvenFlow Black 65 6.5, TaylorMade SIM ROCKET 14.5 w/ PX Handcrafted EvenFlow Black 75 6.5, TaylorMade SIM 18 Tour Issue w/ PX Handcrafted EvenFlow Black 75 6.5, TaylorMade SIM 2 Max Rescue 3-19 w/ PX RDX Smoke 90 6.5, TaylorMade SIM 2 Max Rescue 4-22 w/ PX RDX Smoke 90 6.5, Srixon ZX7 6-AW w/ Nippon Modus Tour125 Stiff I've had the privilege of playing with and watching tour players in person, so I know what they're capable of. Justins family and friends also know him as a kindhearted young man who goes out of his way to give back. ;9#I 'S2G4Mi]JE timestamp='1364355784' post='6704107'] As you can see, 45% have a club speed between 91 and 100 mph., The AMA is far from efficient with his driver. Pro Modus 3 Tour 105 S, Wedges: Callaway Jaws (54-10S, 58-10S), Titleist Vokey Design SM6 (62-08M) Thanks to this impressive article, they will help more and more those who want to play golf. Club Head Speed 119.55 Physics First. Im a 42 year old 59 and been playing golf since I was 35. The handicap system is equally misleading as the vast amount of amateur golfers dont have a handicap, and if they did, they would be 36.4. It takes persistence and painstaking practice to regularly do drills designed to help improve your swing speed, not to mention the constant measuring to ensure you are in fact improving your swing speed. 14* SLDR // Speeder 8.3x What is evident is you obviously don't play with good amateur players. Unlock the POWER Muscles in Your Golf Swing! Hi Gerry. If it was published in a journal as well, please could you direct me to where I could find it. The plan is to include this type of information within TrackMan University in the future, but that is likely many months away at this point. Titleist 913D3 9.5* Diamana D+ 72s I think you wish you hit it further. I genuinely believe Vokeys make me a better bunker player, the SM8s changed my bunker game and these are just as good. The data results given in this article are completely skewed. The title would be just as useful as well. Most golfers think that the guys on the PGA Tour hit the ball incredibly long. Or Fox Hollow in Baltimore? By adding 10 yards to every shot hit by the AMA from 160 yards, the percentage of shots that would hit the green increases from 38.5% to 44.0% and the average distance from the target decreases from 71.8 feet to 60.6 feet. That means the distance from the center of the green tothe edge averages just under 44 feet. [/quote] Clear editor. It should make you a little. It's good for some laughs. [color=#ff0000]I'd really like to see Tiger's path and face numbers too among others especially seeing how far left he aims at times. Sometimes I will hit a 270 once or twice a round maybe and then two or three more at 240, but I will mix in a few bad ones at 190 with a hook or a slice and the rest will be at least 215 to 220. Going the Distance? Length is nothing. As you can guess my improvement has now become dependent on driver efficiency and distance. I take most info in many sections of this board with a grain of salt. Distance to Apex 195.9 Ive tried this with many people and they shoot about their handicap. Course length, driver optimization, and course strategy are three key components to improving the performance of the AMA. It's not the length that makes a pro. Lets go one step further and use the TrackMan Combine data to see what kind of proximity to hole the AMA will be able to achieve at the various approach distances. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364404259' post='6707501'] Dont be that person, as how your club interacts with the turf is more vital in wedges than with any other club. The difference in a good amateur player and a touring professional is typically going to be short game, endurance, and that space between the ears. [b]XHP 3-Deep (13)- 7.3X @ 43.5 One suggestion could be to setup course length based on club speed and optimal driver efficiency. Jordan Spieth WITB 2021 (May Charles Schwab Challenge), Jordan Spieth WITB: 2020 Farmers Insurance Open, Jordan Spieth winning WITB: 2022 RBC Heritage, WITB Time Machine: Jordan Spieths 2015 John Deere Classic winning WITB. I hit the same. Justins interest in the military was inspired by some of the men and women in uniform he has met over the years. [/quote] Top 50 Player Breakdown, What Irons Do LPGA Players Use? Take Bubba for example who can increase his AoA to 5-6 and hit balls 350 yards in the air when screwing around on the range however on the course he hardly does that. As we can again see from Brooks Koepkas yardage book above he has 5 different yardages listed for each of his specialist wedges which highlights just how much distance control the best golfers in the world can exert with their wedges. A look at Brooks Koepkas yardage book below gives us a great insight into this and highlights how many types of shots pros can play with their irons. IF a smaller easier course with less hazards I will play from blue but I am having a ton of fun and scoring between 90 and 97 consistently every time with an average drive of around 220 yards. Trackman is pretty interesting, obviously path and angle of attack change depending on the shot your trying to shape. You can use our TrackMan Locatortofind your local TrackMan certified and ask for a combine test. Especially when they was no other golfers in sight. Learn to play your game, but keep pushing yourself where sensible and on the range, and youll enjoy your round more and start playing much more consistent golf. Id estimate the average tour player will hit their basic solid drive between 295-310 under neutral conditions. I recently had my swing analyzed and would like to share the results so that maybe someone could explain this in simpler terms. Foley was talking about him hitting 8-9* down when playing his stinger. I think it would be awesome to see if any of the numbers change due to the new developments. How Often Do Pros Hit Driver? I wouldn't take a trackman stat to the bank. I spent a year playing by myself getting lessons finding a swing and just focused on having fun. What I find funny is the number of people on here that think it's ridiculous that an amateur golfer claims to have similar numbers to a professional. [/quote] That's what I think. Before it is assumed that the AMA should simply club up, actual distances with each club should be determined. I guess if you don't play with guys that are good, it's understandable. Ive played four rounds since reading this, and shot 81, 83, 79, and 78. What Irons Do the Pros Use? I have shot level round the chammpionship course on occasion also though. [quote name='xmanhockey7' timestamp='1364353356' post='6703825'] Executive Director, The First Tee of Louisville, Jennifer Helgeson How to gain more distance without swinging faster? Shafts: KBS Tour 125 S+, Wedges: TaylorMade Milled Grind 3 (50-09SB, 54-11SB, 60-08LB) I know I'm not a short hitter & I know there's a ton of bs on this board. I once read that if all golfers had to count every stroke they took, and appropriate penalty shots, only 10 percent could legitimately break a 100. My teachers are always trying to get me to change my swing to generate club head speed, but this consistently leaves me frustrated and physically sore. Short hitter compared to the average WRXer This analysis seems to be for elite athletes. Vokey inspect all wedges individually but do recommend you look to change wedges after 75 rounds in order to keep the spin rate at its optimum. Upgraded core technology takes tee-to-green performance to the next level, New face technologies provide more forgiveness and spin consistency, Designed for golfers with more moderate swing speeds, horny mature is having great time in yttaly's casting, dark haired beauty with big natural boobs" jerk off challenge, she knows how to jump up and down on thick cock, 46, 48, 50, 52, 54, 56, 58, 60, 62. Trackman is obviously simply a tool for fitting & in no way plays any part on your actual game. Because winning money, titles, and shooting low scores doesnt involve all that much power hitting, especially with the irons. Spin Rate 2,645.8 Do you suppose my distance is bs? What is the speed? Probably because he plays a higher spin ball than most. Optimizing a golfers distance with the driver (using their existing club speed) is an alternative way to effectively shortening a golf course. [/quote] Did your coach share the TrackMan report with you on mytrackman.com ? Thats 95 extra yards, putting the actual distance of the drive under neutral conditions around 340 Everyone has one. God how I loved playing golf. xV#+D7xEouj|_\ctk--[ne5a|N}x^. It has to do with my ability. Other top articles related to this topic: Graeme Hay is the owner of GolfingFocus.com. We've enjoyed playing this great game with friends, family and competitors from all over the world for many years. Golf critics talk about technology making golf courses obsolete because of distance, but what they fail to clarify is that this only pertains to 0.1% of the golfing population. Shaft: Fujikura Ventus Blue 6 X, 3-wood: Titleist TSR3 (15 degrees @ 14.25) If length was a determing factor for professional status then we'd have the Wedge players tour and not the Long Drivers tour. 4 out of 1000 swings avg 117 mph? Justin Thomas is one of the most exciting and popular golfers on the PGA TOUR. Hi I have always had an out to in swing until recent. To help however answer the question as well as we can the table below shows the varying distances some of the top pros, including Tiger Woods, Rory McIlroy and Dustin Johnson, are hitting their wedges, together with the degrees of loft their clubs are listed at. Dont Waste Your Money, Should Your Wedges Match Your Irons? When its hit well I have hit enough times in the 260-270 range so Im probably in that 95 mph swing speed range. Only 0.4% of the average male amateur population is above a club speed of 115 mph. The difference in a good amateur player and a touring professional is typically going to be short game, endurance, and that space between the ears. Smash Factor 1.475 I work in the industry and frequently play with low handicaps who tease me into playing longer yardage (they assume at 63 250 I bomb it) my home course is 7400 from the tips, and this frustratingly puts my score in the mid 90s. I do agree the AMA should be playing much shorter courses than most presently do. The TrackMan Combine data collected from over 10,000 golfers of all levels from around the world will be used to analyze his performance in hopes of better understanding where improvement(s) can be made. Shafts: True Temper Project X PXi, Wedges: Cobra Trusty Rusty (50, 55), Tour Trusty (60) They were consistently breaking 80 if not the mid 70s and almost every time hit their drives relatively straight and 275 to over 300 yards without a problem and doing it from the blue or blacks . x]I]618nI9^R? STEAL THESE FROM ME! I like to look at his averages on the tour seems to be more realistic data that is actually in play on tour. Lj\gUk':Q9d P\Ko?#sU;:MRk;'FTz![]wJQRL/"&Xp]q%F"S4y_fY;<5PemA,YosVrs>l6:cc I think some of you think too highly of yourselves & don't give tour players enough credit. The data has been collected through the TrackMan Combine from over 10,000 golfers of all levels from around the world. Many golfers save some money and buy the SM8s and others will upgrade from SM7s to SM9s. It will make it a lot easier to give a qualified answer if we have all the numbers :-). On average, all of the projected distances were 50-70 yards further without the slice. Knowing tee shot distances and iron distances helps with that. Whatever helps you sleep at night my friend. Driver: GolfWRX is on the ground in Orlando ahead of the 2023 Arnold Palmer Invitational at Bay Hill Club & Lodge. Hes learned nothing Olympic legend launches scathing attack on Tiger Woods over tampon apology, Golf fans left bemused following bizarre Jim Nantz blunder, Best driver 2023: Expert club fitters recommend the best driver for your swing speed, An UP-CLOSE look at Tiger Woods famous Scotty Cameron putter, David Feherty ridiculed for Greg Norman comment during LIV broadcast, Tour pro says LIV would be done if Brooks Koepka returned to PGA Tour, TOUR REPORT: McIlroy switches drivers during Genesis Invitational (plus Tigers iron change). They were measured with GPS. Try a par 3 course (18 holes) of any length and compare your results to your handicap. With the AMA averaging 30 yards less than his potential, there is a lot of room for improvement. I often feel articles such as this are skewed. I went into a facility with Trackman launch monitors and have attached Ball Speed 176.38 He has an average attack angle of -1.6 degrees.The following table looks at the AMA versus what is optimal., *Carry, Landing Angle, and Total were normalized under 0 alti- tude, 75F, and 75% humidity for the AMA to create an apples to apples comparison. a higher loft) than the actual degree loft number shown on their club. Consistency is Key, Are Driving Range Distances Accurate? [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364403614' post='6707409'] [quote name='baseballfrk8998' timestamp='1364403832' post='6707431'] Shaft: Graphite Design Tour AD IZ 85 S, Irons: Callaway Apex Forged (2021) (4-PW) Most golfers I know are happy to drive the ball 200 yards and keep it in the fairway. also his AoD on the stinger. The AMA is far from efficient with his driver. Stay up to date and receive free notifications of new posts by email. <> The following graph shows a plot of the AMAs shots from 160 yards. Shafts:KBS Tour 125 S+, Putter: TaylorMade Spider GT hard to say for sure who was at fault in the beginning i am 7 handicap play with a friend who is 26-28 i play blue he plays white even when an extra player joins me on the blue he still plays white. You can post now and register later.